Do you think you’ve made it in the restaurant business?
I definitely feel like I’ve made it a lot further than I thought I would, just in life in general. Yes it’s challenging, yeah it’s stressful, and there are a lot of risks that come with it, but I’m a very fortunate person. It’s like having kids. No matter what anyone tells you about it, about what’s right or wrong for them, at the end it’s your own journey. It’s your own adventure.
Can you talk about a dish or a recipe you’ve made that you’re particularly proud of?
Probably the dish that got me into Sichuan cooking in the first place. I still remember it vividly—I was 26, I was in San Francisco, it was raining. And I was with my friend Brandon Jew—he’s a chef—and he said, “Have you ever tried this restaurant called Spices II?” And I went and I had Sichuan mapo tofu for the first time.
I had grown up eating mapo tofu as this ubiquitous brown-sauce tofu dish with pork in it and sometimes frozen green peas. What I had that day was completely different. It was pork and tofu but in this numbing, spicy, paste-like sauce. It was like a gravy. And I was eating it with rice and I couldn’t stop eating it because it was so addictive. It was so impactful, it was like hearing a song for the first time. You know, it just hit me. I was like, “What is this and how do I get more of it?”
When we started Mission Chinese Food, that was the first dish that I wanted to try to make. I’d never been to China, never been to Chengdu, never been to the Sichuan province. So the first time I made it, it was like 33 ingredients. Now it’s only about 12 ingredients.
I’d say mapo tofu is the dish that makes me the most proud because it’s something that I’ve been able to learn a lot about myself through—learn a lot about restraint. You don’t have to overcomplicate things. And it was the dish that turned me on to Sichuan food. It says a lot about me and where I am now.
How do you find inspiration?
Inspiration comes in many forms now. I used to just zone in on eating at restaurants, looking at food, reading articles about food, and to be quite honest I got a little oversaturated and jaded. I felt like everything that I was taking in, everyone else was too.
Inspiration for me now isn’t just from food anymore. It actually comes from not working with food. Whether it’s being at the park, playing with my son and seeing how—this sounds really cheesy—but seeing how leaves are falling down on the ground. I’m like, "Wow that’s really great, the orchestration of that, can you reinvent that in a dish?” A lot of times when I sit down to write a menu, if I see something like leaves falling on the ground, I’ll make a note of it. And then I sit down with this long list of very abstract things and try to remember. And that takes me to this place where I feel ready to create.